@crunklord420 @matrix @Gargron Chrome is pretty good for porn too.

@verretor @matrix @Gargron Google has determined Google to be very safe.

@crunklord420 @verretor @Gargron @matrix are you trolling or geniunely doesn't know how element works?

@idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @Gargron @matrix @verretor I probably have like 4 years experience running a Synapse server. What I said is objectively true and apps have been removed for far less. Google is only following their already established precedent, something that is widely applauded in the mainstream.

@crunklord420 @Gargron @matrix @verretor fuck the mainstream then?

@idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @Gargron @matrix @verretor people like Matthew and Gargron subscribe to the mainstream, they are part of the culture that promoted this environment. The people they seek to censor have already been deplatformed, now they're next. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!

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@crunklord420 @Gargron @matrix @verretor honestly though, i hope element team got through this. I really do believe matrix is a far better option than the alternatives. I like my shit federated.

@idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @Gargron @matrix @verretor first all, element is a shit client and I'd never put that shit on my phone. Second, use F-Droid or sideload it. I hope everything gets removed from the Gapp store.

The only people this negatively affects are people who don't matter, like cucks, government agencies and universities. This is a good thing, it will only promote further deplatforming resistant technology which helps people who matter, like me.

@crunklord420 @Gargron @matrix @verretor i've used matrix, it does the job right, and I have no qualms except the shit that they patched some time ago like the VOIP calls not using the default ringtone.

@idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @Gargron @matrix @verretor uhm acktually matrix is the protocol, you don't install matrix on your phone.

@crunklord420 @Gargron @matrix @verretor sorry mate, what i meant is element. i'm aware that matrix is the protocol, relax.

@idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @crunklord420 @matrix @Gargron So, anyway. All I want is a TempleOS-based phone.

@verretor @crunklord420 @matrix @Gargron templeos is still being actively... played with.

@idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @crunklord420 @Gargron @matrix @verretor what client, genius?

@wikifarms @Gargron @crunklord420 @matrix @verretor *i've used element

shit

@crunklord420 @verretor @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @matrix @Gargron

"The only people this negatively affects are people who don't matter, like cucks, government agencies and universities."

that's wrong. it also affects regular people that hate surveillencecapitalism, but doesn't know how to avoid it.

@mk @verretor @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @matrix @Gargron "regular people" are cucks who do not matter.

@crunklord420 @mk @Gargron @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @matrix @verretor you're a tranny who think that anyone with a sense of morality is a cuck and anyone with an stable sense of self is a pleb, so not surprised that you're a Dark Enlightment elitist that wants even more capitalism

you're more of a normalfag than you'll ever like to admit

@crunklord420 @verretor @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @matrix @Gargron

may you're the one crazy if you think the whole world is crazy ?!
you should get yourself fixed before judging anybody else, dude.

@mk @crunklord420 @verretor @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @matrix @Gargron
>that's wrong. it also affects regular people that hate surveillencecapitalism, but doesn't know how to avoid it.
If you "hate" """surveilance capitalism""" so much then you should have 5 minutes of your life to spare to figure out how to install an application on your device without the fucking app store.

How many of the people who "hate" """surveilance capitalism""" are still using Laptops full with spyware, ordering on amazon, shitposting on twitter and using fucking Google.
It is just a "cool thing" to be against surveillance, but when there are actual real obstacles(which require real effort), like getting rid of Windows, not using centralized social media *at all* most of them just weasel out and keep using the same shit they pretend is predatory.
It's just posturing and hopefully based google starts deleting all that shit, so these people either fuck off or, for once in their life, take responsibility into their own hands. If you are still relying on google for anything you are the problem, not the solution.

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @verretor @crunklord420 @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @matrix @Gargron

is this your position?
"if you don't like surveillance and you're not removing 100% of the stuff that monitors you from your life, you are a hypocrite."

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @verretor @crunklord420 @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @matrix @Gargron

surveillance is not a zero or a one. It's a spectrum. If we want to change something about the surveillance around us, we have to start small somewhere ...

@mk @servant_of_the_anime_avatars @verretor @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @matrix @Gargron no, I said they're voluntary slaves who enjoy it.

The hypocrites are people like Matthew and Gargron who actively endorse Google's deplatforming policies but act shocked when it's correctly applied to themselves. It wasn't even just the Gab or Spinster fediverse clients (both of which are just forks of Tusky), but also totally non-branded clients like Husky and Fedilab merely for not having hardcoded server blocks. Frankly jn order to be non-hypocritical Element should be hard coded to only connect to matrix.org because that's the only server that has agrees to allow Google to control their content.

@crunklord420 @verretor @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @servant_of_the_anime_avatars @matrix @Gargron

i wasn't talking to you

@mk @crunklord420 @verretor @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @servant_of_the_anime_avatars @matrix @Gargron

>@s crunklord
>"I wasn't talking to you"

Where do you find these fucking retards?

@mk @verretor @crunklord420 @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @matrix @Gargron
I can understand that removing certain parts is hard, but if you don't do the BARE MINIMUM, things that take 5 minutes to figure out, then YOU don't actually care at all.

I don't care if you have gotten rid of 100% of the garbage, but if *you haven't even tried* then you are actually the problem.

You should ask yourself at each point "what can I done to get rid of more of this garbage" and if there is anything which you can do *right now* (like *learning how to install a software without the app store*), then fucking do it.

If your fight against """surveillance capitalism""" is just reading a book about it, you have zero actual investment in opposing it, you are against it in name only. Start taking action, learn things, continually improve, but don't sit there and cry if daddy Google tells you "no".

@servant_of_the_anime_avatars @mk @Gargron @crunklord420 @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @matrix @verretor I agree with you, but I would say that the standard person has no idea or is not so bothered and just accepts things straight like this. Also consider the aging population, most are boomers etc. who just won't bother.

In Germany if you order three beers in the wrong way you may be arrested. Much worse if you write someone "with German greetings". Both are straight illegal. "Foreigner" in newspeak is "person with an immigration background". At least they still have two genders, but they already started to avoid saying husband or wife. You know how they say bf/gf? "Lebensabschnittpartner" - "partner for part of the life".

@idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @crunklord420 @Gargron @matrix @verretor Yes.

@idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @Gargron @matrix @verretor it works by recruiting people to the gays and making them use this lunix thing you tout because there is a gay thing there called "urandom" which is short for "your anus domination" and that's how faggots sprout out in the first place

@wikifarms @Gargron @matrix @verretor go back to /g/

@idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @Gargron @matrix @verretor you are from gbs right? all the lunixes are the same they have this thing called root and it allows all kinds of trojan viruses to get in and luckily we are required to use MS Word

@wikifarms @idontthinkyouseemtounderstand @matrix @Gargron

@wikifarms @Gargron @matrix @verretor kek

@crunklord420 @verretor @Gargron @matrix yeah and army and TV channels and language

@crunklord420 @verretor @Gargron @matrix Tfw homies won't just used webapps that aren't subject to censorship via Big Tech repositories.

@crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron

Element, like Mastodon clients are tools like hammers and knifes. if you sell hammers and knife, you are not responsible for people getting killed by it.

@crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron

and hardware shops owners are not unsafe individuals ...

@mk @verretor @matrix @Gargron it's well established precedent that people who do not actively censor dissenters must be deplatformed, everyone involved in deplatforming resistant software is complicit. Users of deplatforming resistant technology are nazis, nazis should be punched. Gargron should have his patreon shut down for being a nazi.

Getting your apps removed from a gay store is so utterly mild it's laughable. It's rather hypocritical after advocating for fediverse apps be removed, like spinster, it's literally the same thing. They fought for this precedent.

@crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron

1. "it's well established precedent that people who do not actively censor dissenters must be deplatformed, everyone involved in deplatforming resistant software is complicit. "

can you please link me the court sentences to this claim? or what did you mean by established? are you taking about the terms of services of some plattform? wtf?

@crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron

2. "Users of deplatforming resistant technology are nazis, nazis should be punched."
here..i corrected it for you: "Users of deplatforming resistant technology are heros, heros should be celebrated."

@crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron

3. "Gargron should have his patreon shut down for being a nazi."
why do you think he's a nazi? can you deliver proof?

@crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron

4. "Getting your apps removed from a gay store is so utterly mild it's laughable."
are they allowed to remove apps? ..of course its their fucking business
do i like it? ..of course not, because it puts friction towards freedom of speech.

@mk @crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron you are not reading between the lines.

@coin @matrix @crunklord420 @verretor @Gargron

can you help me?

@mk @crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron

Everyone in current year is trained by the media and establishment that if someone is called a "Nazi" it means it isn't true.

But Gargamel is a fascist who deserves the meaningless "Nazi" slur far more than any other admin on fedi, so if they're going to ban everyone for made up crap, they should probably have started with him.
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@mk @verretor @matrix @Gargron tumblr, clover, element, spinster, gab, parler and possibly telegram in the near future just off the top of my head. It's violation of their terms, clear as day. Tumblr was allowed back after they purged porn. Element was allowed back after they gave Google control over content on matrix.org.

@crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron

"It's violation of their terms"

what is violantion? housing someone that got plattformed somewhere else? what the fuck are you talking about?

@mk @verretor @matrix @Gargron where was I wrong? Everything I've said is factual.

@crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron

even thoug i don't like it, i think google has the right to ban apps or people from their services. they don't have to answer anybody for it. i think its clever for them to do it, because those apps are competiting with a part of their business.

@mk @verretor @matrix @Gargron I think Google is just applying their already established and widely applauded deplatforming policy. Now that matrix.org agreed to censor at Google's whim they've been allowed back, for now. I think people should report Element for it's ability to access unsafe servers since it is a client that can access servers other than matrix.org, just like how Clover was removed despite if being a client for a wide variety of websites.

@crunklord420 @wowaname @Gargron @matrix @mk @verretor
Good point, I'm gonna use matrix.kiwifarms.net instead of matrix.org OH WAIT IT'S NOT WORKING PROPERLY AND HAS BECOME UNUSABLE!

@mk @crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron google has zero rights whatsoever. like niggers or women, or you

@crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron

"was allowed back"

allowed back in the google playstore?

@mk @verretor @matrix @Gargron yes

@crunklord420 @verretor @matrix @Gargron

so what is your position?
everybody should stop resisting, bend over and get fucked by google and the us government? is this the world you want to live in?